Siemprenbici, off-road mid drives from Spain

June 6, 2014
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This E-bike is designed to be very light, and every design choice that was made has been carefully considered to ensure that the final product remained very light. This is a very strong full-suspension frame that is made from carbon fiber, so there is no way to make something like this affordable…it is a premium product that will be expensive.

The drive system provides a modest 600W of assistance. Most countries in the European Union (EU) have a 250W power limit for any E-bike that is used on the streets. If you want to run a street E-bike with more power than that, you must get an S-Pedelec license and insurance, and also the E-bike must have a horn, turn signals, headlight/tail-light, and several other detailed features.

Since this E-bike is intended for off-road, I’d think that they would have allowed more power, but…in exchange for limiting the system to 600W, they were able to make the power system very light. It uses 22V X 27A = 600W, and the motor appears to be a 63mm diameter outrunner that is similar to the RC (Radio Controlled) aircraft model motors from companies like Turnigy.

If only they had designed the motor mount to allow the owner to upgrade to an 80mm diameter motor (such as the 80-84, Kv-170), that would have really been a very exciting option.

 

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This is a curious drive system, and several unique features make it very interesting.

 

I haven’t been able to find a picture showing the primary reduction, so we don’t know if it’s a belt or a chain. The left-side secondary is a chain with a small pitch, and I suspect from the scale in the pictures that it is likely to be a 6mm chain. In the picture above (on the left), see the comparison between the size of the bicycle chain and the secondary reduction chain, at the bottom of the chainring.

The most intriguing feature of this drive system is how the left-side motor and reductions drive a chainring on the left, and a cylindrical drive-tube transfers the power to the pair of conventional bicycle chainrings on the right side. There is a left-side freewheel to isolate the motor and reductions from the drive-tube, and there is a second freewheel at the center of the right-side chainrings to isolate the pedals when powering the bike with the motor…without pedaling.

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This promotional picture was intended to highlight the small size of the LiPo battery, and also how it is located in the downtube. The thing that caught my eye is that…with one of the drive system covers removed, we can see that it actually has two reductions from the motor to the Bottom-Bracket (BB).

 

The outrunner style of motor (The hot stator is in the center, and the motor-shell spins) does not normally shed heat very well, but in this particular design…the stators’ base-plate is bonded to an aluminum sub-frame to provide a significant increase of heat-sinking.

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This company is based in Madrid, Spain (the web “.es” suffix is for “España”). Since the Spanish word for bicycle is bicicleta, and simpren means “always”, their Siemprenbici company name means “Always Bike” in English. This particular model is the Mountain Wolf. They have announced that they will also be producing a similar model that uses the Bafang BBS02 mid-drive, and it will be called the Mountain Cougar.

 

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Carbon-fiber frames waiting to be carefully hand-assembled.

 

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Several Mountain Wolf E-bikes ready to be shipped.

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Specs

Fork: Rockshox Monarch R 130mm

Rear shock: Sektor TK 140mm,

BB chainrings: 29T/44T

Rear wheel cassette: 11T-34T

Brakes: Avid Elixir 180mm

I wish I had more information about the Mountain Wolf, but the available published info is limited.

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The economy is Spain has had some difficulties recently, and here the Spanish government is trying to promote and encourage home-grown businesses.

 

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The Spanish ministry of industry, tourism, and commerce…shown here promoting Siemprenbici products.

 

For the latest Siemprenbici information, check their Facebook page, here.

 

Here is another 4-minute video of a Siemprenbici executive describing the Mountain Wolf model, also in Spanish.

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Written by Ron/Spinningmagnets, June 2014

Grew up in Los Angeles California, US Navy submarine mechanic from 1977-81/SanDiego. Hydraulic mechanic in the 1980's/Los Angeles. Heavy equipment operator in the 1990's/traveled to various locations. Dump truck driver in the 2000's/SW Utah. Currently a water plant operator since 2010/NW Kansas

4 Comments

  1. A “modest 600W”. Human legs only kick out 200W or so….so it’s a pretty big upgrade. Modest compared to what (in bicycle terms)?

    • 600W is about three times more power than a human can put out, but it’s fairly firmly on the low end in the ebike world. Depending on what reduction they’re going with from the motor (and what the motor voltage constant is) I’d expect that to be about an 18-22mph (30-37kph) bike unassisted, maybe 3-5mph faster with pedal assistance from the rider. Most of the systems you’ll see people putting together on Endless Sphere (the online ebike DIY community) run at least 1kW, and a lot of people tend to focus on 2-3kW systems; there are a few high-performance ebikes out there that run north of 5-7kW.

      • Thanks ARod, I get that. I have a Specialized turbo plus a Goped ESR so I’m very familiar with power/heat/storage/performance equations.
        For me the interesting question is when does an e-bicycle start being an e-motorbike. If we have 5-7KW output then I think that’s an e-moped, or e-motorbike, but sure as hell not an e-bicycle because the human input has become (practically) irrelevant.

        • Basically, 2-3 kW gives you consistent 30-35mph performance, which is kind of a gray area between a bike and a moped. By the time you’re hitting 7kW you’re putting out roughly the same power as a 150cc gas engine; at that point you’re in moped territory, considering that will get you to about 40mph or so consistently. I wouldn’t call it a motorcycle unless it’s capable of consistent speeds north of 60mph (the minimum needed to be able to safely do stints on the highway), which is fairly likely to require power levels somewhere on the order of 10-20kW.

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